Tuesday, March 30, 2010

8000 Samanar's were massacred in seventh century by Thiru Ghana Sampanthar

What happen to 8000 Samana's in the hands of Thiru Gnana Sampanthar and his followers? Or he was a scape goat and some body els was behind this physical elimination process?
According to Shaiva historians, they were defeated by  Sampanthar in so called "punal vaatham" and "anal vaatham". what is this vaatham? Vaatham is debate in Tamil, that mean they have to argue with ideological ground, just like any social debates. But this historic debate were occurred in a manner of black Magic.Sampanthar and Samana saints had put their palm leaves in  flowing water and Sampanthar's palm leaves did not gone with the water flow. This was the so called Punal vaatham. When they were put in fire and Sampanthar's  palm leaves did not burn in to ash.This was the Anal vaatham.Typical stories from  mental hospitals. So the King Ninraseer Nedumaran and his Brahmin gangs had massacred.
This holocaust was instigated by   Nayanar and his people.This nayanar is a Shaivite Brahmin.Who was the real culprit behind this heinous crime against  native people?  This episode is well glorified by the followers of Shaiva cult.I could not see any heroism or humanism in this brutal Kaluvetram massacre of Samana/Jain monks.
Who are those so called Samana's? They are sons of soil.They had many type of native believe systems.Generally they are Samanar's or Jain's.Actually this religion is not a religion in the sense of other organized religions.
Organized religion is entirely a foreign idea.It was brought up  by Brahmins, early christians and muslims.
Sanmargam or Samanam was practice in India,even before the invention of Vedham or Veda.Other name for this belief is Jainism, it's a twisted word of gyan or gnanam.

Un organize religion is a most liberal way of spiritual seekers. Narrow minded power hungers and self fish money suckers convert this liberal system as organize movements.Shaivism and Vaishnavism are simply a organized political movements with the spiritual colors. Brahmin spin masters took all ideas from Samanar's and just twisted everything according to their own agendas.
The brahmins are traditional meat eaters. Vedha did not preach vegetarianism. All their Yagams (yagnams) are done in a simple butchering manner. They cut animals in to pieces and burned in the fire for eating.Actually this is what still in many tribal people does in their community events.When they had saw that Samanar/Jains are pure vegetarians and they are respected by the masses, then only they themselves becomes vegetarians.Their  is not a single evidence in the history that Samanar'/Jains  forced brahmins to become vegetarian.
This cult could be  a best tool in the hands of social exploiters. Many of the  chera chola pandya pallava kings saw the potentiality of this cult.
Priests and rulers are direct benefiters of this religious  conversions. How they are succeeded in their mission? They used several tactics such as brutal killings and all type of fear mongering.They had took all Samana literatures and put the label of brahmin flavors. Thirukural is great Samana literature but they had tried to establish that is hindu literature. Fortunately, now every body knew that Thiruvalluvar is a great Samanr/Jain teacher and his thirukural is Samana text.
My real intention of this article is about the history of 8000 samana saints massacred by thiru gnana sampanthar.
We can't simply accept this as another divine glory by brahmins/shaiva/vaishnavit organized campaign against the humanity.
Samanars are truth seekers of spirituality. They were converted to be a  blind followers of hinduism/brahminism.Intellectual laziness was systematically planted in the minds of masses. Brahmins use their rituals for fear mongering.Kings had saw this as huge opportunity to cheat people.Both parties use this twisting process from the seventh century.Most probably with the massacre of 8000 Samana saints.If not so then why did they  killed?
This is why our people are so eager to follow some thing or somebody always.Hero worshiping is become a deep rooted culture in south asia. Even film actors are become as gods.
Fans are even ready to die for their cine heros and political leaders. These type of persons are worst byproduct of brahminism.

picture above is Samana saint in  thirthankara
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Blogger chiomi said...
    So you are telling that Brahmins ate meat long time ago. I am not a Brahmin so I don't have a problem believing in this. But I don't think normal people will accept that unless there is enough evidence

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chiomi said...

So you are telling that Brahmins ate meat long time ago. I am not a Brahmin so I don't have a problem believing in this. But I don't think normal people will accept that unless there is enough evidence.

Anonymous said...

Hey man!
You don't know the history do you? If so how can you say that Sanskrit is not a mother language. Sanskrit is the mother language for even the European languages OK

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Heart of Gold~Mind of Peace said...

hey this is a great website!
I am studying and studying and studying this topic. trying to find the missing link between the vedas and the upanishads. Q: where did meditation come from? Q: where did comprehension of reincarnation, karma come from? wasc it from guatama buddha? no, for he learned to meditate from someone else when he left his palace--texts say he went naked------i researched and researched and found out that buddha must have learned to meditate from the jains. buddhas uncle was a jain. the pashupati seal might be jain--might be the 1st tirthankar--rishaba. dravidian language group first before aryan invasion. so aryans brought the vedic animal sacrifice? i know jains ate no meat. buddha did. but not mahavair...of course the brahmans ate meat. u can look up and read the vedas at sacredtexts.com. thank u. most interesting site.

Heart of Gold~Mind of Peace said...

The practice of ahimsa (non-violence) shows up in the
"Yoga Sutras of Patanjali," but never in the Vedas except for once, I think, in the Yajur Veda--but not in a qualifiably non-violent usage, as it says one must follow the teaching of ahimsa EXCEPT FOR IN RELIGIOUS SACRIFICES--so the vedics were pro-animal slaughter. Ahimsa was a pre-existent tenet of the jains during the time of the vedas. again, thank u. engaging and well-informed web
site.

Anonymous said...

Yes i completely agree with this article and i am happy that few people know the truth about jainism.............destroyed by so called aryan brahmins.

Anonymous said...

CCCP:
Hinduism & Brahminist are fake, everwhere they will relate idols with avathar. Brahmins wanted supremacy to run their kitchen and achieve control by society by creating fallacy.They come up with some bullshit like "AKASHWANI" took place and god came to earth to create their impression or so called miracle.I SEE HINDUS EQUIVALENT TO MUSLIMS/TALIBAN....AGAIN to say hinduism is a baseless religon

bharat said...

Funny.. U shod try ur hand at writing bunch of Bollywood movies with ur interpretations..

Heart of Gold~Mind of Peace said...

How do you know the number of Jains massacred was 8,000? I did look this up, in the Periya Purana, but it did not say how many were hanged. Thank you for your guidance. I also relied on your Rig Veda quotations the other day, regarding yellow-bearded Aryans and "swarthy-skinned" Dasus, whom "Indra hated."

Anonymous said...

You are totally biased and irrational in your approach. The post is full of errors beacause of hazy ideas and pre conceived notions. Jains and Hindus both are from India and we should try to find a way to live peacefully respecting each other's faith.

Balaji said...

I completely agree with most things said in this article. People should read the book named Samanamum Thamizhum by Srini Venkatasamy.This book is a classic which puts things in perspective.

Unknown said...

The Orginal Dravidians- The true story
Very old is the Tamil’s history and their culture
believed to have existed
before the dinosaraus and it’s extincture
They go back to the Indus Valley and
to the city of Mohenjo daro
a place older than Greece, Rome and the Pharoh
They had personal toilets
in two tier houses, where men lived
with their children and their spouses.
There was public granary, public baths and sewerage systems
There was a town hall, place of worship and very interesting customs.
The original Dravidians
were not short and stocky as believed to be,
with matted hair and African features
it was a story made up
by the conquering Aryans
when writing their history and their scriptures .
What the Aryans saw were the
the Mundas and the Gonds, the Bhils and the Vaddas
the original inhabitants and their gentry
and thought them as the dravidians
of this ancient country.
The pure Dravidians have Middle Eastern looks
far from the description in the current history books.
They were more sophisticated
than the invading tribes
proof of it is, they never subscribed
to animal sacrifices or even prescribed.
They were a peace loving people
and never been to war
with neighbours near or neighbours far.
From the Meenovans of Crete
to the Pandiyons of Greece
the language bound them together
and they lived in perfect harmony and peace
till the Aryans came
and what they saw
left them in awe ,
a well developed race
full of poise and grace;
They started taking the best from them
and making it a Aryan case.
The best they took from Dravidianism
they later called it Brahminism
Then the two began to drift apart
with the Aryans keeping the northern part
driving the Dravidians south
by foot and cart .
The Dravidians finally made home the south,
preserving everything in palm leaves,
and by word of mouth.
The origins of Tamils can be split in two
One with middle eastern looks and
the originals from the Indus fixture
the others of afro origins
and of the local tribes mixture.
One of the original tamils were the ancient Jains
who wrote all the great Tamil classics in a veritable chain.
Tholkappium to Thirukural and all the great works
later claimed by pseudo tamils and religious jerks.
They exist as Samanars or Nainars today,
a woeful 50,000 in number
quietly practicing Jainism
and calling themselves Digamber.
Most of the ancient temples standing today
where built by the Samanars of yesterday
converted to shaivite and vaishanavite faith
sad testimonies to an ancient religion’s fate.

Reduced to zero status and estate
from once the foremost religion of the state
their decline remains a unsolved mystry
in the forgotten tamils history.
Today there are many claimants to the
dravidian throne
from various groups for political gains
but they are far removed
from the original forgotten tamil Jains.
These are not my findings
or the result of a literary flow
but taken from a well researched book
‘A brief History of India’ by Alain Danielou.

Unknown said...

The Orginal Dravidians- The true story
Very old is the Tamil’s history and their culture
believed to have existed
before the dinosaraus and it’s extincture
They go back to the Indus Valley and
to the city of Mohenjo daro
a place older than Greece, Rome and the Pharoh
They had personal toilets
in two tier houses, where men lived
with their children and their spouses.
There was public granary, public baths and sewerage systems
There was a town hall, place of worship and very interesting customs.
The original Dravidians
were not short and stocky as believed to be,
with matted hair and African features
it was a story made up
by the conquering Aryans
when writing their history and their scriptures .
What the Aryans saw were the
the Mundas and the Gonds, the Bhils and the Vaddas
the original inhabitants and their gentry
and thought them as the dravidians
of this ancient country.
The pure Dravidians have Middle Eastern looks
far from the description in the current history books.
They were more sophisticated
than the invading tribes
proof of it is, they never subscribed
to animal sacrifices or even prescribed.
They were a peace loving people
and never been to war
with neighbours near or neighbours far.
From the Meenovans of Crete
to the Pandiyons of Greece
the language bound them together
and they lived in perfect harmony and peace
till the Aryans came
and what they saw
left them in awe ,
a well developed race
full of poise and grace;
They started taking the best from them
and making it a Aryan case.
The best they took from Dravidianism
they later called it Brahminism
Then the two began to drift apart
with the Aryans keeping the northern part
driving the Dravidians south
by foot and cart .
The Dravidians finally made home the south,
preserving everything in palm leaves,
and by word of mouth.
The origins of Tamils can be split in two
One with middle eastern looks and
the originals from the Indus fixture
the others of afro origins
and of the local tribes mixture.
One of the original tamils were the ancient Jains
who wrote all the great Tamil classics in a veritable chain.
Tholkappium to Thirukural and all the great works
later claimed by pseudo tamils and religious jerks.
They exist as Samanars or Nainars today,
a woeful 50,000 in number
quietly practicing Jainism
and calling themselves Digamber.
Most of the ancient temples standing today
where built by the Samanars of yesterday
converted to shaivite and vaishanavite faith
sad testimonies to an ancient religion’s fate.

Reduced to zero status and estate
from once the foremost religion of the state
their decline remains a unsolved mystry
in the forgotten tamils history.
Today there are many claimants to the
dravidian throne
from various groups for political gains
but they are far removed
from the original forgotten tamil Jains.
These are not my findings
or the result of a literary flow
but taken from a well researched book
‘A brief History of India’ by Alain Danielou.

anonymous said...

Please look into pranava veda which is considered before the rig veda pranava seems to be a tamil word Om enum pranava mandiram . I would request you to read Aintiram an ancient tamil text written by mayan 'mamuni mayan'

anonymous said...

Jainism did not originate from north to south it spread from south to north it was samanam / amanam / aseevagam and not jainism

anonymous said...

Please look into ajivika / aseevaham a tamil way of living

anonymous said...

I really doubt if Samanam can be called as Jainism

karthikeyan kumaresan said...

How did samanars come to Madurai?

karthikeyan kumaresan said...

How did samanars come to Madurai?

Radha manohar said...

Mr Karthikeyan kumaresan ,Samanars was there.They are the people of that soil. brahmins came around 4 to 7 centuries. they calle this native people as samaranrs (or srama = difficult). Actually they are not belonging to organized religion. The concept of organized religion is brought by aryan, mogul and European invaders. The institutional religion become a shrewdest tool to control people.Obviously collecting tax or ransom.

Anonymous said...

Vanakkam!

Fristly, it's worthwhile to note that the author doesn't fit nor have any quality to critize or comment on Saint Thirunyaanasambanthar.
The contributions of Saint Thirunyaanasambanthar on Tamil language and Saivism is enormous and unquantifiable.
Saint Thirunyaanasambanthar preached Saivism and worship via recital of holy hymns called Thevaram in Tamizh language. Saivism had already existed way before that and he had restrengthened it's presence.

In all situations, Saint Thirunyaanasambanthar was invited for debates/contests by other religious groups who had felt intimidated by his presence and preachings.
Though not of his interest, he is compelled to participate.
The impalement of Samanars (if it ever happened) was at their own wish and not instructed by Saint Thirunyaanasambanthar.

Saivism is all about love for God and killing (not flesh consumption alone) is totally prohibited. Saint Thirumoolar in Thirumanthiram has stated 'Kollaan' (non-killing) as a pre-requisite for anyone who intends to learn Yoga.

Lastly, please stop claiming Thiruvalluvar as ours/theirs and etc.
His incomparable Thirukkural is applicable to all mankind and is not biased or inclined to any religion/sect.
It belongs to all Tamizhs.

Sivasiva.


Unknown said...

Ha ha ha...ending your post with a "Sivasiva" exlains everything !...where is the room for debate !

Anonymous said...

My intention wasn't to start a debate or prove who is superior to whom.
There is no need to waste time on arguments or debates.

I'm a Saivite and yes so of course I'd submit to Siva.
Sivasiva is a way of expressing modesty and submitting everything to God.

Yahqappu Adaikkalam said...

Exactly